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 Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 6:38 pm Post subject: Frage zu "Special Ships" |
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Ich hab mal ne Frage zu einigen Spezialschiffen.
Cement Courier
Mal abgesehen davon, daß es die Fracht Zement noch icht gibt, warum ist er als Zement Bulker ausgeschrieben, hat aber TEU's ???
Und warum ist der in der Sonderfrachtspalte der .xml eine 1 wie bei den meisten Linern ??
Norsilk (Sondergüter Code 5)
Russian Express (Sondergüter Code 6)
Haben zwar beiden einen Sondercode, der ist aber im Spiel absolut nicht ersichtlich, auch gibt es keine Zusatzinfos wie "banana cooling ship" oder so etwas. Was ist an den beiden den nun so speziell ??
Und warum haben einige Liner ein "1" als Sondercode, aber nicht alle ??
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Cement Courier is an abomination ....
Eine Fehlgeburt sozusagen.....
First it looks like a small coaster in rather bad shape!
Secondly the measurements given in the xml file do not match the tdw,
which is given as 25 000 tons, that thing would sink it real life
with half that tonnage... 
I complained about that before, never heard anything 
A cement freighter is essentially a dry goods tanker and should look like one  and it certainly wouldnt "schlepp" containers about 
As far as the other ships and the codes I am not quite sure
what they are good for, Since I like the Norilsk,
I simply took the boxes off and run her as a freighter.
Incidently in the game she can not go to her homeport in the white sea.... 
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Somewhere we had all the sondergueter codes listed, as usual I can't find it ...
6 should be LNG
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I think the special ships is something that needs to be developed, could bring an intresting part to the game.
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Hi Bearsie !!
If I would run the Cement Courier as a normal frighter, which tdw should it have ??
I think I should give this poor ship a real sense in the game !! 
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anyone know of any large (ish) cement carriers? I would like to add one to my game.
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| StickyMonk wrote: | | anyone know of any large (ish) cement carriers? I would like to add one to my game. |
There is a bunch, the Swedes love them 
Let me dig around, I'll find one
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| Captain Brackwasser wrote: | Hi Bearsie !!
If I would run the Cement Courier as a normal frighter, which tdw should it have ??
I think I should give this poor ship a real sense in the game !!
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based on werft info for similar sized vessels (Even the length to width to draft ratio seems a bit odd)
somewhere around 4000 to 6000 tons
example 1 : Peenewerft 2004
Technical data: Length, over all 88.00 m Length, bpp 81.00 m Breadth, moulded 12.80 m Depth, poop deck 7.10 m Depth, main deck 4.75 m Draft, freeboard 4.60 m Draft, ballast 3.49 m Cargo hold capacity appr. 4,600 m³ Container 144 TEU thereof 108 in hold Ballast water appr. 1,630 m³ Speed at an engine output appr. 10 kts of 600 kW 663 min-1 Speed at an engine output appr. 12.3 kts of 1,500 kW, 900 min-1 Crew 7 men + 4 reserve
example 2 : Bodewes 2005
PRINCIPAL PARTICULARS
L.O.A. 89.98 m
Length between p.p. 84.98 m
Breadth moulded 15.20 m
Depth 6.60 m
Draught 5.10 m
Deadweight 4250 ton
Tonnage 2999 GT
Service speed 12 kn
Ice class 1B
EQUIPMENT
Main engine 1800 kW
Bowthruster 300 kW
Shaft generator 350 kW
HOLD CAPACITIES
Hold dim. 61.50x12.65x7.99 m
Cargo hold 210000 cu.ft
Container capacity 126 TEU
Tanktop load 15 t/m²
CAPACITIES
Fuel oil 210 m³
Ballast water 1989 m³
Potable water 40 m³
Those are a bit newer, then there is the tantallon castle to look at
and the Gada, the gada is probably the closest to the Cement Courier
as far as origianl game ships are concerned
I'd prolly change her to this :
<ship>
<index>29</index>
<kategorie_typ>CARGO</kategorie_typ>
<sub_typ>CARGO</sub_typ>
<schiffsname>Cement Courier</schiffsname>
<baujahr>1962</baujahr>
<sondergueter_code>0</sondergueter_code>
<statusreq>2</statusreq>
<delivertime>24</delivertime>
<flat_cont_TEU>0</flat_cont_TEU>
<TEU>0</TEU>
<kuehlschiff TEU>0</kuehlschiff TEU>
<laenge>96.5</laenge>
<breite>15</breite>
<tiefgang>5.8</tiefgang>
<brt>2899</brt>
<dwt>4100</dwt>
<nrt>1881</nrt>
<anzahl_passagiere>0</anzahl_passagiere>
<firstclass>0</firstclass>
<crew>16</crew>
<betriebskosten>1600</betriebskosten>
<max_geschw>12.4</max_geschw>
<kw>1750</kw>
<treibstoffverbrauch>140</treibstoffverbrauch>
<bunkerkap>340</bunkerkap>
<preis_max>5800</preis_max>
<bugstrahl>0</bugstrahl>
<heckstrahl>0</heckstrahl>
<traegheit>10</traegheit>
<korrosionsfak>1.5</korrosionsfak>
<umschlagzeit>1</umschlagzeit>
<sonderschiff_frachtart>bulk carrier cement</sonderschiff_frachtart>
<moegliche_optionen>1</moegliche_optionen>
<bildinforeferenz>Cement_Courier</bildinforeferenz>
<sonderinfos>Cement_Courier.swf</sonderinfos>
<flagge>Piräus</flagge>
<werft>-</werft>
<flags>-</flags>
<cars>-</cars>
<trailers>-</trailers>
<maxshipavailable>6</maxshipavailable>
<rentingcostperday>0</rentingcostperday>
<stretchcostperbed>0</stretchcostperbed>
<smallwater>0</smallwater>
<harbourships>0</harbourships>
<waterline>27</waterline>
<sndfile>cont01</sndfile>
<sndscale>1.5</sndscale>
<sndoffset>6</sndoffset>
</ship>
or some such 
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actully it is easy to check if its somewhat realistic since no ship can weigh more than the water it is in ...
96.5x17x7=11483 so thats roughly total displacement in tons
or cubic meters..
Minus the "pointy ends" and the steel (usually a quarter to a third)
and you would be hard pusched to get half of that in tdw
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most seem to be round the 5000 dwt mark
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| StickyMonk wrote: | | I think the special ships is something that needs to be developed, could bring an intresting part to the game. |
I quite agree we sure can make the ships, if we can talk RDK into activating some of those special codes...
be interesting to plan trips when you can only haul certain items.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 1:02 am Post subject: cement courier |
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and here the official info from DNV for the Vessel Cement Courier
now the info can be corrected officially, alas no pic...
Flag: Greece Signal Letters:
Port: PIRAEUS
Owner: Heracles General Cement Co.
GT (ITC 69): 4525
NT (ITC 69): 4200
DWT: 7,000
Manager: Heracles General Cement Co.
Loa: 96.5 m GT (ITC 69):
Lbp: 94 m NT (ITC 69):
Lload: DWT: 7,000
Lwl:
B external: 17 m
GT (pre 69): 4,525
NT (pre 69): 4,200
D: 9.9 m
Draught: n.a Freeboard: n.a
Listed as a barge, non-motorized, pump motors are M*A*N
No wonder that it looks "abgetakelt" 
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Just one worry, when RDK implements the addon for user created ports, cargo and ships will the origonal game ships and ports still be changable? I hope so as I have altered a few of them to make some ships more usable.
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