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				|  Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 3:42 pm    Post subject: I want to do something new.... |   |  
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				| Does anyone know of any decent shots of a forrest product carrier? or maybe more than just one, as I would like to add some to my list of ships, also I want to plug a gap in the passenger ship market, there is a real lack of them in the 80's and 90's anyone know of any built in that time? _________________
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				|  Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 4:12 pm    Post subject: Re: I want to do something new.... |   |  
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				|  	  | StickyMonk wrote: |  	  | Does anyone know of any decent shots of a forrest product carrier? or maybe more than just one, as I would like to add some to my list of ships, also I want to plug a gap in the passenger ship market, there is a real lack of them in the 80's and 90's anyone know of any built in that time? | 
 
 We'll have to poke about ...
 Do you mean like a log / timber carrier?
 I have all those timber ships from the 60's, but that is probably
 not what you mean ?
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				|  Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 4:58 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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 The first one is cute
   number 2 is...
  although it has nifty overhead cranes installed  _________________
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				|  Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 6:16 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| those are good ones, how do they load that second one???? _________________
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				|  Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 9:18 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				|  	  | StickyMonk wrote: |  	  | those are good ones, how do they load that second one???? | 
 google their website and you will see garage doors opening on the right
 side (starboard) then track fold out and a bridge crane
 (overhead crane) goes in and out with the cargo,
 let me find the manufacturer of the cranes again
 
 scroll down, there are the pictures, the one on the right
 shows the crane coming out with 12 paper rolls:
 
 http://www.tsuji-hi.com/en/products/gantrycranes.html
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				|  Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 5:33 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| ^^that's a system often used on paper carriers. They have a couple of lifttrucks on board, which supply the crane, and the crane loads/unloads the cargo. These ships are more or less the same as Ro-Ro carriers, but build for other purposes.
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				|  Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 8:56 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| There's a book "Die größten Passagierschiffe der Welt" (The largest liners of the world) by arnold kludas. all existent ships above 10000 GT are in it. i'm not quite sure if there's an english version also.
 if you should get it you'll have lots of work....
   
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				|  Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 9:02 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Well I have 5 forest product carriers just about ready to go up, top and side views.  _________________
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				|  Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:32 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| what about estonia as a passenger carrier? built 1980... _________________
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				|  Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:48 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| I have underway a few liners from the 80's and 90's, but things are going to be progressing slowly for the forseable future due to work   
 I shall check out the Estonia....
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				|  Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 11:11 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| That Gearbulk vessel is called a Newsprint Carrier.  I used to work for Abitibi-Price Shipping, and I operated a fleet of 5 of those ships.  They were exceptionally clean vessels and handling of the cargo is very carefully orchestrated.  Because the rolls have to fit on a printing press, any dent render the roll almost unusable.  If there was a 1" deep cut in the paper, it would destroy 20% of the roll (to illustrate, make a cut in a roll of toilet paper and see how many sheet are actually destroyed. 
 There really is no such thing as a passenger vessel anymore.  Nothing like the days of the Great Liners that plied the world's oceans.  Ships like the Titantic, Mauretania, Canberra, Queen Mary, Empress of Canada are all gone.  There are of course cruise ships, but they are a totally different beast.  Some countries have very large ferries, but these are just that, ferries, not passenger liners.
 
 To properly use those, we would have to set the POC clock back to the 1920's.  Any interest????
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				| Hi Maltonmanor, welcome to the forum   Can't set the game before 1975 but I pretend its 55
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