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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 11:27 am    Post subject: Routenberechnung fehlerhaft ? Reply with quote

Hallo RDK,

ich hab mir ein recht umfangreiches Excel-Tool gebaut.
Da ich keinen aktuell keine Berechnungsmöglichkeit der Entfernungen
sehe, übernehme ich die Entfernungen nach und nach auf POC.

Da mein Tool unterscheiden muss, ob das Schiff z.b. den Panamakanal nehmen kann oder nicht, muss ich natürlich auch die verschiedenen Entfernungen berücksichtigen.

1. Warum sind hin und rückweg nicht gleichlang ?
Beispiel : Halifax - Kaohsiung , mit Panamakanal : 12001,6 nm
Kaohsiung - Halifax , mit Panamakanal : 12652,6 nm

Das sind 5,4 % , für mich also etwas viel für einen Rundungsfehler.

2. Warum nimmt mein ( dummes ) Schiff den Panamakanal ?

Hab nun seit einiger Zeit das Containerschiff Salina und siehe da , das
ist nicht mehr so dumm...

Kaohsiung - Halifax , mit Suezkanal : 11806,5 nm

Nun sind es schon rund 7,2 % weniger Fahrtstrecke...


Gibs dafür Gründe die ich nicht kenne , oder ist die Berechnung in POCXXL einfach an einigen stellen fehlerhaft ?


Gruß

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

poc sucht einen pfad durch ein raster mit freeien seeflächen (LEE Algorithmus routensuche), diese sind für beide wege unterschiedlich wegen der quantisierungen und je nachdem wie die route gefunden wird. einmal wird vom ziel aus die route gesucht, andermal von der quelle aus.
Da die raster relativ grob sind wegen der geschwindigkeit der berechnung treten dabei schon rundungsfehler auf -- (diagonal durchlaufende quadrate oder im eck). die genauigkeit ist entsrpechend der masken maps im image verzeichnis (rasterung). grosskreise werden dabei auch noch nicht richtig berücksichtigt.

in arbeit ist ein neues routensystem dass dann aber auch vorgefertigten strecken beruht und dann genauer arbeiten kann auch für binnenschiffe (verwendet in der deluxe 2008 edition), - ich arbeite aber derzeit noch an einer lösung, damit diea ddons dann auch wieder funktionieren, sonst muss man da auch alle kombinationsmöglichkeiten von hand eingeben, bzw. mit hilfe von zwischenkonoten was ziemlich fehleranfällig ist, wenn man touten falsch eingibt -- es wird eine lösugn sein, die beides kombiniert.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hallo RDK ...

Wird dieses neue Routenberechnungssysthem auch die LAdung, und damit unterschiedlichen Tiefgang der Schiffe berücksichtigen können?

Beispiel:

Mein Addon ULCC-Tanker "TI Oceania" wurde gebaut um hauptsächlich Rohöl aus den arabischen Staaten, in die amerikanischen Häfen im Golf von Mexico, zu transportieren. Im beladenen Zustand ist der Tiefgang zu groß um durch den Suezkanal zu fahren. Deswegen geht es auf der Hintour ums Kap d. Guten Hoffnung, und zurück dann durch den Kanal.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ja ganz genau, die routen haben attribute bezüglich,
breite, höhe (brücken), tiefgang und anzahl der schleusen, sowie strömung.

Die routen kann man mit google earth erstellen (kml format), die attribute mus sman manuell eingeben.
Normaoerweise wird die routenlänge automatisch berechnet, ausser man gibt sie mit length= manuell an, da bei stark gewundenen seestrassen (flüsse) sonst abweichungen entstehen, wenn man die nich genau genug angibt. Auch flusshoehen kann man im prinzip definieren.

Beispiel (kann man abspeichern als xxx.kml und dann in google earth importieren z.b. die namen Knoten werden als schluesselwort verwendet damit das programm bei verzweigungen den richtigen pfad suchen kann. fuer wasserstrassen kein problem, auf offener see muss man natuerlich einige knoten ssinnvoll verteilen (habeb wir schon vorbereitet).



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hoy ... Shocked

Bei sovielen Koordinaten bekommt man ja glatt Knoten vor den Augen! Laughing ... Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

noch ein beispiel (auss poc2008 deluxe), länge ist hier die max länge des schiffs:

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Da fällt mir jetzt noch was ein.

Kann man über dieses System auch schwankende Tiefen durch Gezeiten berücksichtigen? So das z.B. große Schiffe, in bestimmten Häfen, nur bei Flut an- und ablegen können?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ja das geht, dazu muss man den tiedenhub und bezugszeit (UMT) als parameter angeben, kann ich einbauen
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

welche routen, bzw. knoten sind denn im update schon fertig, und was muss man als spieler ggf. noch ergänzen?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

in dem näcjhste update ist der teil noch nicht enthalten, da ich noch an der hybrid lösung arbeite, sonst gingen keine der addons mehr -- das hybrid ist aber noch etwas komplziert , es muss versuchen mit dem router möglichst nah an einen neuen konoten (addon ohne route) heranzukommen, von dort aus den alten router dann einsetzen.

danach wird auchd er router addon fähig werden, d.h. man kann routen hinzufügen die dann auch verwendet werden. dazu muss ich aber auch noch eine doku erstellen wo überall zwischenknoten vorhanden sind, dass man die auch nutzt, bzw. die dann in google earth importieren kann und die differenz exportiert z.b. --
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